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POLL: Are Deal Sites Killing Golf Businesses?

June 8, 2011 | By Greg D'Andrea | 8 Comments

As websites like Groupon and Living Social become more and more in vogue, these so-called “deal” sites (where visitors are presented with daily deals and coupons for products and services in their local area) are starting to make money… and lots of it.

And, it didn’t take long for entrepreneurial-types to bring the deals to the golf industry. In fact, just two months ago, we here at the Golf Stinks blog told you about one such website that we rather liked.

But a recent email exchange* between a new golf deal site (that shall remain nameless) and a few folks on this company’s spamming mailing list became rather heated. The email, which was announcing the launch of the new golf deal site, elicited the following response from one recipient:

“I personally believe discount sites like yours are the kiss of death for businesses, especially for golf as a business already experiencing many challenges. Training consumers that paying retail prices is unnecessary is going to crush most businesses and eventually will cause a complete degradation of service as companies struggle to deliver a discounted product. While consumers must like the deep discounts, they will ultimately lose as the quality of their golf experiences is worsened.”

The previous response was followed by another:

“Could not have said it better myself. For those of you considering using these sorts of services, please be aware that listing your product at cut rates to get traffic is not “advertising” (something many discount providers will try to convince you it is). This is training your consumers that your services are not worthwhile and rewarding them for the least desired behavior. I know of two golf courses who have run promotions and both have been unhappy with the resulting discounted consumer they attracted. They are not getting these discounted consumers back at the full rate and are finding themselves fielding frustrated phone calls from consumers that had the integrity to pay full rate at their facility and are now being punished for it.”

And another…

“It is important not to allow these types of programs to exist that basically whore ones services and products to new lows. The golf industry does not need this.”

But that was followed by someone taking the deal site’s side:

“I see a guy just trying to make a buck in a tough economy.”

And finally, by another golf deal site trying to explain to the group that not all deal sites are bad for business:

“We tried this many times and also found it only attracts the client who is looking for a deal and not one really interested in good value. As soon as the deal ends, the client moves on. In the meantime, the regular clients get annoyed that they are being penalized for paying normal prices. A better strategy I have found is to work on client retention and offer deals to existing clients who bring or introduce their friends. This benefits and rewards everyone as well as expanding the client base and winning new business by word of mouth and referrals. This year we are up around 40% and it is all through word-of-month and referrals from existing clients.”

Typically, all these emails would be rather annoying in general, but I think there is a good discussion point here: With the economy still struggling, these deal sites have a strong following. But is the practice hurting the traditional golf businesses that are also trying to survive in tough economic times? And furthermore, if deal sites are here for the long-term, will we see a negative net effect within the conventional retail golf industry?

Weigh-in by taking the poll below:

Are Deal Sites Killing Golf Businesses?


*It should be noted that Golfstinks, LLC became privy to this exchange by being one of the more than 100 recipients on the email. It should also be noted that Golfstinks, LLC did not opt-in to this company’s mailing list, nor had Golfstinks, LLC even heard of said company before receiving the email in question.

Filed Under: Uncategorized Tagged With: coupons, daily deals, deal sites, deals, golf, golf deals, golf stinks, golfstinks, groupon, living social

Are all Golf Courses Basically the Same?

June 3, 2011 | By Greg D'Andrea | Leave a Comment

To all you non-golfers; It may appear on TV that all golf courses are the same. And, believe it or not, I once thought that too…at least for a period of time.

As some of you may know, I’ve played many, many different golf courses in my 20+ years on the links (including my quest to play all the public 18-holers in my state). But after you play so many, they tend to mesh together in your mind like a hodgepodge of flag sticks, sand traps, ponds and grass.

When you’re new to the game of golf, typically you frequent one course that you feel comfortable on. And that level of comfort pretty much keeps you loyal until the day a golfing buddy invites you to play somewhere else. Going to that “new” course can be exciting and it will seem like everything is different – the scenery, the layout, all of it.

And in reality, it was all different. But then you play a another course and another and before you know it, they all start to look similar. Well, after playing at all these different places, I developed a problem:

If a person mentioned a particular course to me, I would quickly tell them, “Oh, I’ve played there and it was decent.” When they’d follow-up with, “What did you like about it?” I would hesitate. I couldn’t, for the life of me, remember any details of said course! I would try to remember – I’d think of a particular par 3 with a pond and 30 par 3’s with ponds rushed into my mind.

So what did I do? Were all those courses I experienced – that I spent my hard-earned money on – lost somewhere in that vast (and mostly empty) noggin of mine? I prayed not. The solution? I began writing reviews for each course – complete with my own rating system – which seemed to jog the old memory!

Much of that system is still intact and can be found on golfstinks.com – except now I’ve gotten your input too. If you took the survey (see the results HERE), you had a say in how the rating system should work. I know there are more of you out there – golfers that love playing at different courses. Well, you’ll never have to forget the details again – just rate and post a review for any of the thousands of courses in our database.

But, shameless plug aside, I think I’ve come full-circle. When I first started golfing, every course I played was unique. Then, eventually, one track bled into another. And now, I’ve learned to take notice, appreciate and file-away the idiosyncrasies of each place I visit.

I once penned an entire post on why golf is unique compared to the other sports – and one of the biggest reasons is no two courses are exactly alike. Think about that for a second. Football fields (both American and European) conform to exact specifications; baseball diamonds and hockey rinks do too. But not golf – every single course is unique to itself.

Of course, I knew this all along. But it sure is fun remembering it all over again! So don’t just play golf…experience it. Travel, discover and enjoy – even if it’s just to the course in the next county over.

Filed Under: Uncategorized Tagged With: baseball, course, courses, football, golf, golf stinks, golfstinks, hockey, unique

Golfstinks.com: The Best Course Database on the Web

May 27, 2011 | By Golf Stinks | Leave a Comment

Find your perfect golf course with the GolfStinks.com database (photo by Greg D'Andrea)
Find your perfect golf course with the GolfStinks.com database (photo by Greg D’Andrea)

For more than 18 months, the Golf Stinks blog has informed and entertained…and we’re growing in readership everyday (thanks to you)!

One of the main reasons we created this blog was to convey the notion that you don’t have to be good at this game to love it. The other reason was to have a voice for our forthcoming website, golfstinks.com.

Well, we’ve been hard at work developing said website and have recently launched a major component: Our Golf Course Database!

The database features more than 18,000 public and private courses in the United States! In addition, it includes nearly 2,000 courses in Canada, and a select few in 19 other countries!

You can access the database from our blog by using the search box “Find Golf Courses” (located in the right-hand sidebar just below the “Advertisements” section). This means no more Google searches looking for course websites, phone numbers or greens fees. Instead, you can get all that info (plus much more) – all while perusing your favorite golf blog!

Hands down, we think our database is the best way to search for golf courses – both via the web or on your mobile device. We can’t wait for you to check it out!

And stay-tuned, because golfstinks.com is far-more than a course database – we’re developing the best golf-related site on the web and now you too can “join the golf revolution” RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW for free!

Once you join, you can create a golf bio (this isn’t a PGA Tour golf bio, it’s for average hacks like you and me), search courses and post reviews for them too! We’re in beta, so you may find a few glitches, but rest assured we’ll be working to prefect this on a daily basis (and we’ll be adding more features soon to boot)!

Golfstinks.com: Join, search courses, play golf, yell fore. Done.

Filed Under: Stinky Golfer Paradise Tagged With: database, golf coruse database, golf courses, golf stinks, golfstinks

Golfing Until The End…Of Days That Is

May 23, 2011 | By Chris Chirico | 1 Comment

Well, May 21st came and went, and we’re all still here. And not to sound selfish, even though this will, but I’m still here, and that’s what matters most to me. Because if I wasn’t still here, then my golfing life would have ended prematurely…and what a waste that would have been.

See, I’ve never played any of the so called “greatest” courses. And if the world were to end before I had the chance to at least play a few, then I would be seriously pissed.

Also, I have yet to break 90. If I was to die at the end of the world before I ever broke 90 (because I know it’s going to happen one of these days) I certainly would have needed to have a sit-down with the planners of this Rapture. And I promise, there would have been several unkind words flying across the table.

Oh, another thing…I’ve yet to record a hole in one. And statistically speaking, I’m getting closer and closer to pulling it off. If my math is correct, and I’m going up against those 1-in-45,000 odds, then I should have that hole-in-one chalked-up sometime within the next 549 years. If I can step up the amount of rounds I play per year, then maybe I can get that count down a bit. Hey, every little bit helps!

So you see, this whole Rapture thing has really got me thinking. I’ve slacked off with my golf game for far too long. I have far too many things still to do in my golfing life – places to play, miracle shots to pull off, Nassau’s to win, clubs to break over my knee a la Bo Jackson. And how would I feel if I never got the chance to do these things all because of something so silly as the end of days.

Of course, I could always look at the bright side – If Judgement Day were to happen, there’s a good chance I would be among the ones left behind. And if that was the case, at least there would be a better chance for me to get a tee-time at Bethpage Black.

Swing ’til you’re happy! Because December 21, 2012 is just around the corner!

Filed Under: Uncategorized Tagged With: Bethpage Black, Bo Jackson, December 21 2012, end of days, end of the world, golf stinks, golfstinks, hole in one, May 21st 2011, Nassau, Rapture

Am I Motivated by the Hole-In-One Prize?

May 16, 2011 | By Chris Chirico | Leave a Comment

During a recent commute, I passed by a billboard promoting a golf tournament at a somewhat local country club.

Nothing out of the ordinary, but what caught my eye was the hole-in-one prize – a brand new, 2011 Corvette. Being a big Corvette fan, this naturally got my juices flowing. And being that it’s mid-May and I still have yet to even attempt to play a round of golf this year, this was beginning to get me motivated.

But after passing by the sign, I thought about where the tournament was taking place. This is a former private course which only two years ago, during the deepest depths of the recession, went public…obviously because they were losing money. So how is it they have the money now to put on this tournament? Not to mention, how do they have the money to be able to give away a $50,000 car?!

I understand the tournament, while charity based, is also a tool to help promote membership with the club. And granted, they only have to give away the car if a hole-in-one happens, but what if it does? That’s basically $50,000 they have to pony up! I’m sure the entry fee from the participating golfers doesn’t approach that amount! And let’s face it, the hole-in-one prize is usually the biggest draw to the tournament, especially if you’re not playing the tournament with your regular golfing buddies. So the prize has to be worth-while to draw participants. So what to do? How can they afford to pay that out? Well, the same way everything a person can’t afford gets paid out…insurance.

I’m sure most people know that just about any large prize in contests such as holes-in-one, half-court shots and the like, are insured. An NBA team doesn’t want to just pay some lucky guy sitting in the stands $100,000 because he made a basket, especially one that is, relatively anyway, not all that hard. So instead, they can pay an insurance company $100 per shot (41 home games for a total of $4,100) just in case someone does make it. Not bad, right? $4,100 covers them from having to pay out the grand prize. And if no one makes the shot, then they had a helluva season long promotion for only $4,100! Chump change for an NBA franchise!

The same system works in golf tournaments. If you’re putting on a golf tournament, you don’t have to raise $50,000 to cover the cost of your hole-in-one prize. You simply have to take out an insurance policy. And the rates, like all other insurance rates, are based on risk. And being that the odds of making a hole-in-one are what they are…the risk is pretty low. So believe it or not….you’re not paying out all that much!

Think of it this way – You’re a 40-year driver, with no accidents or tickets, driving a Hyundai Santa Fe (according to AOL Autos, the least expensive car to insure) – chances are, you’re insurance premium is going to be a hell of a lot less than that of the 17-year old kid driving a Mustang, right?

So when tournament time rolls around, there are a number of companies who will be happy to take your money based on the odds of a hole-in-one (anywhere between 1 in 12,000 and 1 in 45,000 depending upon the basis of the odds). You can find said companies with a simple Google search of “Golf tournament prize insurance.”

Lets say your tournament features 140-150 golfers. Even at the lowest odds, chances are that prize is not being paid out. This is why some of these insurance coverages can be had for as low as $250-$300. Maybe even lower if you take the time to do the research and call around.

So maybe this putting on a golf tournament thing is not as costly as I had once thought. If the course itself is putting the tournament on and the insurance on the grand prize as well as a few other smaller prizes is relatively inexpensive, that really only leaves food and drinks. And by the time the players pay their entries and local and corporate sponsors put in a few bucks, I can see how money is made for a good cause and the chance for a course to gain a few new members can certainly happen.

Now, the trick for me will be to come up with the money to take a few lessons to get my “par-3 swing” right, come up with the money to enter the tournament, get a day off from work and beat those 45,000 to 1 odds at just the right time to drive home in a brand new ‘vette! Do you think there’s some type of insurance to cover my expenses?

Swing ’til you’re happy!

Filed Under: Uncategorized Tagged With: charity, Corvette, golf stinks, golf tournament, golfstinks, Google, hole-in-one insurance, Hyundai, Mustang, private course, public course

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